Let's Be Frank About The Big Hurt
After the Ken Griffey Jr. article last weekend, I received an email suggesting that the Hall of Fame case for Frank Thomas will be much more interesting and difficult than that for Griffey. This response, combined with Thomas and Jeff Bagwell reaching the 400 home run milestone this month and Eddie Murray's induction in the Hall of Fame today, motivated me to run a series of similar stats with an even more comprehensive analysis including not only The Big Hurt's standing among first basemen but also among all players. A comparison of Frank vs. his peers at first base follows: RATE STATS ON BASE PERCENTAGE OBP 1 Lou Gehrig .447 2 Frank Thomas .432 3 Jimmie Foxx .428 4 Jim Thome .414 5 Jeff Bagwell .414 6 Hank Greenberg .412 7 John Olerud .404 8 Lu Blue .402 9 Johnny Mize .397 10 Mike Hargrove .396 Frank Thomas. Number two all time. Behind only Lou Gehrig. Enough said. Lu Blue, you ask? No, that is not a typo. Blue really does rank eighth in OBP. He played most of his career with the Detroit Tigers and St. Louis Browns and was a 1920s version of Mike Hargrove--a singles hitting first baseman with a good batting eye. Blue hit .300 in four of his first five years and had over 100 walks four times, including seasons with 126 and 127. According to Bill James in The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract, Blue is the #1 "percentage" 1B in history and the seventh best overall (at least among those players for whom complete data is available). The four indicators are fielding percentage compared to period and position norms; stolen base percentage; strikeout to walk ratio; and walk frequency in absolute terms. OBP DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Frank Thomas .092 .432 .340 2 Lou Gehrig .086 .447 .361 3 Jeff Bagwell .075 .414 .339 4 Jim Thome .073 .414 .342 5 Jimmie Foxx .070 .428 .358 6 Mike Hargrove .069 .396 .327 7 John Olerud .065 .404 .339 8 Mark McGwire .058 .394 .336 9 Hank Greenberg .056 .412 .356 10 Johnny Mize .055 .397 .342 Number one. Ahead of Gehrig and everyone else. SLUGGING AVERAGE SLG 1 Lou Gehrig .632 2 Jimmie Foxx .609 3 Hank Greenberg .605 4 Mark McGwire .588 5 Frank Thomas .568 6 Jim Thome .567 7 Johnny Mize .562 8 Jeff Bagwell .551 9 Dick Allen .534 10 Mo Vaughn .526 Number five behind four of the greatest first basemen of all time. Let's see, #2 in OBP and #5 SLG. Is our appreciation starting to grow yet? SLG DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig .213 .632 .419 2 Hank Greenberg .193 .605 .412 3 Jimmie Foxx .192 .609 .417 4 Mark McGwire .174 .588 .414 5 Johnny Mize .171 .562 .391 6 Dick Allen .152 .534 .382 7 Frank Thomas .145 .568 .423 8 Jim Thome .136 .567 .431 9 Jeff Bagwell .130 .551 .421 10 Willie McCovey .125 .515 .390 ON BASE PLUS SLUGGING OPS 1 Lou Gehrig 1.080 2 Jimmie Foxx 1.038 3 Hank Greenberg 1.017 4 Frank Thomas 1.000 5 Mark McGwire .982 6 Jim Thome .982 7 Jeff Bagwell .965 8 Johnny Mize .959 9 Dick Allen .912 10 Mo Vaughn .910 The bottom two players will surely be replaced by the current crop of first basemen (i.e., Carlos Delgado, Todd Helton, and Jason Giambi) once they qualify. OPS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig .299 1.080 .780 2 Jimmie Foxx .263 1.038 .775 3 Hank Greenberg .249 1.017 .768 4 Frank Thomas .238 1.000 .762 5 Mark McGwire .232 .982 .751 6 Johnny Mize .225 .959 .734 7 Jim Thome .209 .982 .773 8 Dick Allen .205 .912 .707 9 Jeff Bagwell .205 .965 .760 10 Willie McCovey .171 .889 .718 Number four and in pretty good company. Dick Allen is the only eligible player on the list not in the HOF. TOTAL AVERAGE TA 1 Lou Gehrig 1.228 2 Jimmie Foxx 1.143 3 Hank Greenberg 1.105 4 Frank Thomas 1.100 5 Jim Thome 1.079 6 Mark McGwire 1.068 7 Jeff Bagwell 1.045 8 Johnny Mize 1.005 9 Dick Allen .930 10 Dolph Camilli .928 Interestingly, Bagwell, who has been referred to as Thomas' twin (same birthdate, virtually the same career stats, MVPs the same year, etc.) has been basically two or three places behind Thomas in every category. See Aaron Gleeman's and Ben Jacobs' outstanding articles on the Bagwell-Thomas similarities. TOTAL AVERAGE DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig .486 1.228 .742 2 Jimmie Foxx .411 1.143 .733 3 Frank Thomas .387 1.100 .713 4 Hank Greenberg .382 1.105 .723 5 Mark McGwire .370 1.068 .698 6 Jim Thome .351 1.079 .728 7 Jeff Bagwell .332 1.045 .713 8 Johnny Mize .330 1.005 .675 9 Dick Allen .298 .930 .632 10 Dolph Camilli .267 .928 .661 Has anyone noticed Jim Thome's name on all eight rate lists thus far? An objective evaluation would suggest that Thome has the potential of being regarded as one of the top ten first sackers of all time. COUNTING STATS TOTAL BASES TB 1 Eddie Murray 5397 2 Lou Gehrig 5059 3 Jimmie Foxx 4956 4 Rafael Palmeiro 4698 5 Tony Perez 4532 6 Fred McGriff 4309 7 Willie McCovey 4219 8 Harmon Killebrew 4143 9 Orlando Cepeda 3959 10 Steve Garvey 3941 22 Frank Thomas 3445 At a conservative rate of 250-300 TB per year, Big Frank should be in ninth place by the end of 2004 with the potential of reaching the top five before he is through. TOTAL BASES DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig 1959 5059 3100 2 Jimmie Foxx 1770 4956 3186 3 Johnny Mize 1295 3621 2326 4 Rafael Palmeiro 1132 4698 3566 5 Hank Greenberg 1114 3142 2028 6 Willie McCovey 1112 4219 3107 7 Mark McGwire 1102 3639 2537 8 Dick Allen 1068 3379 2311 9 Frank Thomas 1030 3445 2415 10 Harmon Killebrew 1017 4143 3126 Thomas should move past Allen, McGwire, Willie McCovey, and Hank Greenberg in TB vs. the league, perhaps by the end of this year. RUNS CREATED RC 1 Lou Gehrig 2367 2 Jimmie Foxx 2225 3 Eddie Murray 1919 4 Rafael Palmeiro 1771 5 Fred McGriff 1633 6 Willie McCovey 1615 7 Harmon Killebrew 1583 8 Frank Thomas 1540 9 Jeff Bagwell 1536 10 Johnny Mize 1515 Once again, Thomas may reach the top five in RC by the end of this year. RUNS CREATED DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig 1181 2367 1186 2 Jimmie Foxx 1015 2225 1210 3 Frank Thomas 709 1540 831 4 Johnny Mize 683 1515 832 5 Mark McGwire 638 1504 866 6 Jeff Bagwell 622 1536 914 7 Willie McCovey 587 1615 1028 8 Hank Greenberg 580 1346 766 9 Rafael Palmeiro 553 1771 1218 10 Harmon Killebrew 550 1583 1033 Number three all time among first basemen. What's not to like? RUNS CREATED/GAME RC/G 1 Lou Gehrig 11.21 2 Jimmie Foxx 10.25 3 Hank Greenberg 9.65 4 Frank Thomas 9.32 5 Johnny Mize 8.98 6 Jim Thome 8.92 7 Jeff Bagwell 8.47 8 Mark McGwire 8.47 9 Bill Terry 7.65 10 Dolph Camilli 7.54 Number four and solidly ahead of his closest challengers. RUNS CREATED/GAME DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig 5.59 11.21 5.62 2 Jimmie Foxx 4.66 10.25 5.58 3 Frank Thomas 4.29 9.32 5.03 4 Hank Greenberg 4.15 9.65 5.50 5 Johnny Mize 4.05 8.98 4.93 6 Jim Thome 3.72 8.92 5.20 7 Mark McGwire 3.57 8.47 4.90 8 Jeff Bagwell 3.42 8.47 5.05 9 Dick Allen 2.93 7.20 4.27 10 Dolph Camilli 2.68 7.54 4.86 Whether measured in absolute or relative terms, Thomas is near the top in most categories. Gehrig and Foxx seem to be the only two 1B generally ahead of The Big Hurt in the important rate and counting stats. ADDITIONAL STATS HOMERUNS HR 1 Mark McGwire 583 2 Harmon Killebrew 573 3 Jimmie Foxx 534 4 Willie McCovey 521 5 Eddie Murray 504 6 Lou Gehrig 493 7 Rafael Palmeiro 490 8 Fred McGriff 478 9 Andres Galarraga 386 10 Jeff Bagwell 380 14 Frank Thomas 376 Bagwell and Thomas have already both moved ahead of Andres Galarraga this year. Both have the potential of hitting 500 HR, passing the Iron Horse in the process. HOMERUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Mark McGwire 405 583 178 2 Jimmie Foxx 403 534 131 3 Lou Gehrig 377 493 116 4 Harmon Killebrew 362 573 211 5 Willie McCovey 334 521 187 6 Johnny Mize 252 359 107 7 Fred McGriff 248 478 230 8 Rafael Palmeiro 242 490 248 9 Hank Greenberg 240 331 91 10 Eddie Murray 217 504 287 14 Frank Thomas 203 376 173 RUNS R 1 Lou Gehrig 1888 2 Jimmie Foxx 1751 3 Eddie Murray 1627 4 Rafael Palmeiro 1456 5 Fred McGriff 1310 6 Jeff Bagwell 1293 7 George Sisler 1284 8 Harmon Killebrew 1283 9 Tony Perez 1272 10 Joe Kuhel 1236 16 Frank Thomas 1168 Thomas may never catch Bagwell or Rafael Palmeiro, but he should end up no worse than sixth in career runs scored. RUNS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig 754 1888 1134 2 Jimmie Foxx 594 1751 1157 3 Jeff Bagwell 423 1293 870 4 Dick Allen 366 1099 733 5 Frank Thomas 352 1168 816 6 Johnny Mize 327 1118 791 7 Hank Greenberg 326 1051 725 8 Mark McGwire 321 1167 846 9 Harmon Killebrew 276 1283 1007 10 Will Clark 274 1186 912 Thomas will pass Allen this year, putting him fourth. RBI RBI 1 Lou Gehrig 1995 2 Jimmie Foxx 1921 3 Eddie Murray 1917 4 Tony Perez 1652 5 Harmon Killebrew 1584 6 Rafael Palmeiro 1575 7 Willie McCovey 1555 8 Fred McGriff 1503 9 Jim Bottomley 1422 10 Mark McGwire 1414 17 Frank Thomas 1285 Despite ranking 17th before the start of the 2003 season, Thomas should easily move into the top ten in RBI sometime during 2004 and approach McCovey's seventh place standing by the end of 2005. RBI DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE 1 Lou Gehrig 950 1995 1045 2 Jimmie Foxx 849 1921 1072 3 Harmon Killebrew 642 1584 942 4 Willie McCovey 633 1555 922 5 Mark McGwire 615 1414 799 6 Johnny Mize 604 1337 733 7 Hank Greenberg 603 1276 673 8 Tony Perez 558 1652 1094 9 Eddie Murray 555 1917 1362 10 Frank Thomas 512 1285 773 * All statistics are through 2002. The career rate stats are based on a minimum of 5000 PA. Player positions are determined by career totals rather than by individual seasons. Frank Thomas' Career Stats (through 2003): YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG OPS CAREER 1795 6403 1221 1995 417 11 400 1341 1354 1036 32 .312 .430 .568 .998 Thomas' Seasonal Averages (per 162 games played): YEAR G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG OPS 11.08 162 578 110 180 38 1 36 121 122 93 3 .312 .430 .568 .998 Black Ink: Batting - 21 (Average HOFer ~ 27) Sources: sabermetric baseball encyclopedia, baseball-reference.com, and espn.com Notes I excluded Ernie Banks, Rod Carew, Stan Musial, and Pete Rose from these rankings. Banks actually played more games at first base than shortstop, but the irony is that he was a below-average hitter as a 1B and one of the greatest hitting SS ever. Carew played approximately half of his games at first base and half at second base. Relative to his position, Carew was more valuable as a 2B. Musial played more games at first base than left field or right field, but he played nearly twice as many games in the OF (when viewed as a single position) than 1B. Like Musial, Rose played more played games at first base than any other single position but substantially more games in the outfield on a combined basis. Plus, Rose enjoyed some of his best years as an OF (including arguably his two greatest in 1968 and 1969) and spent his declining years as a 1B. Including or excluding these four players has very little, if any, bearing on Frank Thomas' ranking. Thomas has a higher career OBP, SLG, and OPS than all of them as well as a higher TA. In other words, his rate stats exceed those of these other players across the board. Thomas falls short in some of the counting stats, including times on base, total bases, and runs created, primarily due to a lower number of games played. However, Thomas stands a good chance of passing Carew in RC this year and TB next year, and he is already ahead of Banks in RC and may pass him in TB before he finishes his career. Relative to his league, Thomas surpasses all four in counting stats except Musial. As a result, it would be difficult to argue on behalf of Banks, Carew, or Rose ranking above Thomas even if you included them in the rankings. Seven-Year Niche Thomas has been mostly a DH since 1998, perhaps weakening his argument as a 1B. But he enjoyed seven of his eight greatest seasons as a 1B, all in consecutive years from 1991-1997. During that period, Thomas finished in the top four in OBP in the A.L. every year, leading the league four times; top six in SLG every year (including leading the league in 1994); top three in OPS and OPS+ every year (leading the league 4x and 3x, respectively); top four in TOB every year (leading 3x); top eight in TB every year; top seven in RBI every year; and top five in BB every year (including finishing on top four times). For those interested in run producing raw stats, Thomas also had 100 or more runs and RBI every year during this span. Furthermore, Big Frank won back-to-back MVPs in 1993 and 1994, an achievement that not even Barry Bonds has exceeded (at least not as yet). If anyone thinks Thomas' period of dominance was too brief, consider this: * Thomas ranks 6th among all players in career OBP OBP OBP 1 Ted Williams .482 2 Babe Ruth .474 3 Lou Gehrig .447 4 Rogers Hornsby .434 5 Ty Cobb .433 6 Frank Thomas .432 7 Jimmie Foxx .428 8 Barry Bonds .428 9 Tris Speaker .428 10 Eddie Collins .424 Is that a who's who of baseball or what? SLG SLG 1 Babe Ruth .690 2 Ted Williams .634 3 Lou Gehrig .632 4 Jimmie Foxx .609 5 Hank Greenberg .605 6 Manny Ramirez .599 7 Barry Bonds .595 8 Mark McGwire .588 9 Joe DiMaggio .579 10 Rogers Hornsby .577 11 Mike Piazza .576 12 Larry Walker .574 13 Frank Thomas .568 The above list serves as an introduction to Manny Ramirez' place in baseball history more than anything else. Larry Walker's 12th place ranking in OPS doesn't earn him a spot in the top 50 in OPS+ due to playing the majority of his home games at Coors Field, the most hitter friendly ballpark in major league history. With 5,000 plate appearances, Alex Rodriguez will most likely slide into the 10th position at the conclusion of this year and replace Rogers Hornsby as the only non-OF/1B in the top ten. OPS OPS 1 Babe Ruth 1.164 2 Ted Williams 1.116 3 Lou Gehrig 1.080 4 Jimmie Foxx 1.038 5 Barry Bonds 1.023 6 Hank Greenberg 1.017 7 Rogers Hornsby 1.010 8 Manny Ramirez 1.010 9 Frank Thomas 1.000 10 Mark McGwire .982 Enjoy the moment, folks. Active players Bonds, Ramirez, and Thomas are three of the most prodigious sluggers in history. Period. OPS+ OPS+ 1 Babe Ruth 207 2 Ted Williams 190 3 Lou Gehrig 179 4 Barry Bonds 177 5 Rogers Hornsby 175 6 Mickey Mantle 172 7 Joe Jackson 170 8 Ty Cobb 167 9 Jimmie Foxx 163 Frank Thomas 163 Mark McGwire 163 This list says it all. OPS+ adjusts for era, league, and ballpark. Thomas has been 63% more productive than the average hitter, tying for ninth all time with fellow first basemen Jimmie Foxx and Mark McGwire. Only Gehrig ranks higher among 1B. Any Further Questions? If anyone is skeptical of the foregoing because they think Thomas' career is in major decline, check this: * Thomas ranks in the top ten in the A.L. this year in OBP, SLG, OPS, TA, RC, HR, and BB. The main reason why the casual fan believes Thomas is no longer one of the best hitters in baseball is because his batting average has fallen from a range of .308-.353 from 1991-1997 to .265-.328 from 1998-2003, including .277 this year. Of importance though is the fact that Thomas' power and ability to get on base via walks is about on par with his career level. To wit, The Big Hurt ranks second in the league this year in isolated power and secondary average. Accordingly, the only real change in his game is the greater number of singles that Thomas had earlier in his career versus the past few years. Conclusion: It is highly probable that Thomas' rate stats will decline over time. As a result, his career ranking in those categories could slip a few notches between now and his retirement. However, Thomas will offset any slippage in his rate standings with improved counting stats over the course of his career. In any event, I think it could easily be argued that Thomas is one of the top 20 hitters in baseball history. Despite Thomas' shortcomings as a fielder and as a baserunner, if being one of the five best first basemen and 20 greatest hitters ever isn't worthy of Hall of Fame status, then they may as well shut down Cooperstown. |