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The Rise and Fall of Dale Murphy and the Abstracts
Reader Tom Meagher of The Fourth Outfielder Baseball Blog, a terrific site "about baseball in general and the Los Angeles Dodgers in particular" sent me the following email in response to the Abstracts From The Abstracts series: I wanted to point out something I realized from your Abstracts series. James clearly loved Interestingly, here is what Bill had to say about Dale in The Baseball Book 1990: A lot of people have asked me whether I think Dale Murphy can come back, but I don't really have an opinion about it. I won't be drafting him this year, and if he gets traded out of Atlanta his numbers could quickly slide to where he earns his release. Murphy was traded by the Braves to the Philadelphia Phillies that August. He had one of the ten highest salaries in baseball at the time, and it was essentially a salary dump. In The Baseball Book 1991, James asked "What are (Murphy's) Hall of Fame chances? What's the best year he's going to have from now on?" Murphy will probably go into the Hall of Fame without much of a fight. He is not overwhelmingly qualified, like Pete Rose or Dale actually played 153 games in 1991. Amazingly, he cut down on his strikeouts (from a range of 125-142 the previous seven seasons to a career-low 93 for a 500-AB season) but put up rather mediocre rate stats (.252/.309/.415) in his first full year with the Phillies. James listed Murphy as the tenth-best right-fielder in the N.L. in The Baseball Book 1992. Remember, there were only 12 teams in the league back then. The only RF ranked behind Murphy were Just another player now, a cleanup hitter who should hit about seventh. I'll let Bill tell us what happened to Murphy in 1992 in his comments from The Bill James Player Ratings Book 1993. On the DL April 15 with infection in left knee, back May 7, out for season May 12 after arthroscopic knee surgery. The good news is that nobody took control of his job. The bad news is that there is scant evidence he can still play. He hasn't hit higher than .252 since 1987, can't run, and doesn't connect often enough for his power to justify his overall game. Even though Murphy retired during the 1993 season, James had these parting comments in his 1994 Player Ratings Book: Murphy called it quits in May after getting about one hit a week. Murphy's last good year came when he was 31; after that, six years of trying to get it back...The most-similar player to Dale Murphy in all of baseball history is his last manager, Although Baylor shows up number three on Murphy's similarity scores, I think that comparison is a little harsh. Murphy not only had a slightly higher career OPS+ (121 to 118), he had four seasons with a higher OPS+ than Baylor's best of 145. Moreover, Murph won five Gold Gloves as a center fielder whereas Baylor appeared in more than half his games as a designated hitter and was inadequate defensively when forced to play one of the corner outfield spots or first base. Murphy also smokes Baylor across the board when it comes to Bill's Hall of Fame standards. In fact, he exceeds the average HOFer in three of the four measures. Baylor comes up short in all four. Dale Murphy Black Ink: Batting - 31 (54) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Don Baylor Black Ink: Batting - 8 (263) (Average HOFer ~ 27) Although Dale Murphy was no Joe DiMaggio as James once thought, he was no Don Baylor as Bill finally concluded either. |
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What I'd really like to see is a comparisons between a guy like Dale Murphy and someone like Dave Winfield. It seems pretty clear that the HOF considers players who were very good for a long time to be more "great" than players who were brilliant for a 4-5 year span, and decidedly average after that.
Perhaps it's romantic of me, but I'd rather have the Murphys, Mattinglys and Koufaxs in my HOF team than the Winfields, Murrays and Blylevens.
Has anyone ever played around with numbers on this schism?
Posted by: Chris at January 18, 2005 10:15 AM
Dale Murphy earned his way into the Hall in the 1980s. What happened from 1994-98 during his waiting period for HOF eligibility is now what's keeping him out. It isn't fair. 1993 was a bad year for offensive players to retire!
If he had played only five years earlier, he would have been eligibile in 1994 before the offensive boom of the '90s really took hold, and he would have been a HOF shoo-in. Therefore, he should be considered as such now, since he was definitely among the best of his contemporaries on and definitely off the field.
Posted by: Paul McCord at January 18, 2005 11:23 AM
I have been a huge (perhaps biased) advocate of Dale Murphy's induction into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, and have done my best to persuade others opinions on the matter with some success sometimes, and no success other times. I actually have a MS Excel spreadsheet with career stats of Dale Murphy with about 10 current HOFers, though at this time that spreadsheet does not include the likes of Dave Winfield. I could (but won't bother) with a statistical analysis of why I think he should be in HOF, but will email the file to anyone who wishes to see it, and I will probably take the time to add Winfield. If anyone else you would like to see on the list, please let me know. Only quick facts I will throw out there, while not stating the numbers, are fact that Dale Murphy led ALL major league baseball players in HR from 1980-1990 (including about 40-50 more than Mike Schmidt during the same stretch), and that Murphy is one of only 2 players (the other being Roger Maris) who have won back-to-back MVP awards AND are not in the HOF. If Murphy had played on an a perennial winner or in a supportive lineup or perhaps, merely, played in the American League, Murphy's numbers would have probably been MUCH higher. For example, Murphy did not have nearly the supporting cast of a Mike Schmidt or an Eddie Murray, and therfore did not have nearly the RBI opportunities of those guys. (Ever wonder exactly how many of Dale's 398 career HR were of the solo variety?) Does this mean I INSTANTLY think da' Murph and/or Maris should be in the Hall, while biasedly I say yes, realistically, I say no. Do I think Murph and/or Maris SHOULD BE and deserve to be in the HOF, YES, ABSOLUTELY, without question, but I also understand why he isn't, unfortunately! I think BBWAA should let Murphy in, and if they don't vote him in, then I, surely, think that the HOFers committee should place Dale Murphy into the HOF.
-Mike L
Posted by: Mike at January 18, 2005 5:03 PM
Murphy for the Hall!
James' comment, "Cooperstown", stuck out to me as well while reading the Abstracts from the Abstracts. Murphy was a brilliant supernova of a player, and while his numbers don't dazzle, his star still shines brighter than most of those he shares the ballot with (even the ones above him).
He deserves the Hall.
Posted by: Jay at January 18, 2005 8:11 PM
I absolutely think Dale Murphy should be in the Hall. I'm more a football fan than a baseball fan, but I've always thought a player who has one or two great years is more deserving of being in the Hall of Fame than a guy who has ten pretty good years. I think Terrell Davis and Kurt Warner should be in the Hall of Fame, but I don't think Art Monk should be.
Posted by: MDS at January 21, 2005 12:26 PM